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June 5, 2006

Precision Isn't A Disorder Either

It's rare that Mary and I disagree on much of anything, but every once in awhile I take issue with something she writes in her excellent blog.

In her blog over the weekend, she wrote:

Do you have to be OCD to do CR?

No. You don't. But you need to have a lot of self-discipline and objective - so perhaps quasi-OCD. For those wondering what OCD is, it's obsessive compulsive disorder. While I thought the CNN piece on CR was pretty good, and tall MR and April were as cute a couple as ever, I still don't like the idea that it portrays CR as something that require weighing every component of your dinner and recording on your laptops in the kitchen as you cook. Pretty alienating.

Realistically, though, CR requires a lot thought and attention to be successful. On the other hand, most people eat gak and are walking around fat and unhealthy because of it, so bad CR would hardly be worse. I hate to discourage people from trying it because it looks too hard to do. I loved the food that April cooked for CNN, it was wonderful. But, they did focus on the recording and the laptops. If those had been out of the picture, it would have been more powerfully focused on the wonderful food.

First... thanks! Glad the Little MR thinks both we and the food are cute!

But alas, second. I really object to the characterization of weighing and measuring food as having anything to do with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, a serious psychological condition that ruins a lot of people's lives. The whole problem with OCD is that it causes people to do things that are irrational: refusing to walk on the cracks in the pavement, engaging in elaborate and unnecessary cleaning routines, etc. These behaviors don't help the person accomplish a carefully chosen goal (such as extending life through CR) -- they make the person feel "safe" because the disorder causes extreme anxiety and fear if the routines are violated. Discipline and purpose have nothing whatsoever to do with OCD.

Weighing and measuring food help us determine exactly what we're eating so that we can a) keep our calories consistent b) keep them as low as possible. Most people have no idea how much they're eating until they measure it, in terms of volume, calories, or nutrients. CR does not work if it's not accompanied by ON, or optimal nutrition. Of this we are quite certain. CR also does not work if you think you're eating a whole lot fewer calories than you are actually eating. People on the list report absurdly low calorie levels, then report BMIs that just don't make any sense with those calorie levels, no matter how much you adjust for metabolism differences. Very few people have the sense of spatial relationships necessary to evaluate the difference between 10 grams and 15 grams, and while this is less of a calorie difference when you're talking about celery, it's huge when you're dealing in calorie-dense foods like almonds that people can eat all day if given the chance. MR can achieve a very CR'd level of CR without feeling hungry (except right before meals) because he keeps his calories and macronutrients very consistent. That works much better for him than guessing. It is perfectly consistent with his goals, which are not just taking off a few pounds or eating "healthier," but actually slowing his biological aging process through the only intervention known to do that in mammals.

In terms of making CR look easy and accessible in the media: I think that comes down to a fundamental difference in what we think we're trying to accomplish here. CR is not a weight loss diet, and while cutting a few calories (which would be, technically, calorie restriction of a very modest amount) will probably help most of the 83% of American adults who are overweight or obese be healthier, that's not what we're doing. We're not even doing "moderate" CR to look and feel better and decrease our chances of *pre-mature* death from heart disease, stroke or diabetes. What MR and I are trying to do (and him more successfully than me!) is to actually extend our lifespan. That is not easy, and it will not result from small decreases in calorie intake. It certainly won't work if we're malnourished, so we are very, very careful.

I think it would be misleading to have a national television program talk about actually living longer, extending human lifespans, and then neglect to show the tools that can help you do that. Nutritional software is a must! Little MR first called my attention to the hideous gaps in my diet when I was not yet using software. I fixed those with the help of DWIDP, and without it, I would never be able to maintain a low calorie level without leaving out important nutrients here and there. Consistency is a powerful tool in keeping calories low without hunger, and knowing how much you're eating is essential to keeping calories consistent.

I find the public health aspects of nutrition absolutely riveting. I am frequently gripped with a desire to run off and go to Public Health school and become a full-time advocate for nutritional approaches to solving our nation's health crisis. I love that stuff so much that I have to chain myself to my desk and repeat "I love organizing" over and over again until the urge to run away and join the public health circus passes! But that's not what I'm doing with my CR. CR is way beyond what any "normal" person would even want to do. Mild reductions in calories combined with large improvements in nutrition would greatly benefit most overfed, undernourished North Americans. But that's not CR. That's not going to *extend* life -- it will at best cut back on pre-mature death.

If we are to hope to get any longevity benefits whatsoever (beyond avoiding *pre-mature* death by heart diesease, etc.) we must do more than merely eating healthy and cutting calories a little. When you start cutting calories a lot, getting all the nutrition you need becomes a more difficult task, one that (unless you are able to memorize the entire USDA database, or you just want to eat the same thing every day) requires nutritional software. When you want to cut your calories well below what the body *thinks* it needs, but you don't want to be hungry all the time, it's going to be much easier if you keep calories consistent. It's hard to do that without weighing and measuring food. Our goals are different from the goals of the average person who just wants to lose a little weight and feel healthy. So the tools we use to accomplish our goals are different.

There's a lot of talk within the CRS about how weird it is to weigh and measure food. I find that odd and disturbing... do these people have any idea what they're eating, or if they're getting adequate nutrition? Very few people are good at guessing portion sizes (there is tons of research to document this) and most of the people who have that kind of accurate perception of spatial relationships can also parallel park an eighteen wheeler in San Francisco. It's not easy!

No one says it's OCD when someone baking a cake carefully measures out cups or teaspoons of flour, baking powder, sugar, and butter. You don't just throw "a few" eggs and "some" water into cake batter -- you measure it, otherwise the cake would fall. Gourmet cooks and even those normal people who just follow recipes measure their food. They often use cups and spoons rather than scales (and we use cups and spoons too!), but they're doing the same thing. When the goal is creating a delicious cake that won't fall in the oven, nobody calls it OCD, freakish or weird. Why is it any different when the goal is creating a healthy body that has a chance of outliving its "normal" lifespan?

Posted by april at June 5, 2006 6:17 AM

Comments

A really interesting post ! I have battled with OCD since I was a child. Mercifully, it's just a very mild version now.

Obviously OCD has nothing to do with CR, but there's no doubt that your perfect protein/fat/carbohydrate zone type diet DEFINITELY eliminates most of the OCD symptoms. I have seen a vast improvement in my symptoms since I started CR. And no, I don't obsess about food or count every single calorie every day.


I went away on business last week and had no choice but to eat gak for 2 days (it was either that or starve), and at the end of it, my OCD was back with maximum symptoms - I was totally off the rails.. It took several days to be rational again. Priestess of High Carb Darkness indeed !


My 8 year old son has unfortunately inherited OCD too. I have to modify his diet too (the ON part, not the CR obviously, because he's just a kid). But I'm helping him to control the symptoms. The CRON based diet removes the need for medication, and I am optimistic that it can get rid of the symptoms completely, if I can find the right P:F:C ratio's to correct our serotonin/other chemical imbalances.


Food = medicine, folks. Don't forget it :-)


Lindsay

Posted by: Lindsay at June 5, 2006 2:43 PM

Hi, I'm new to reading your blog and currently just curious about CRON.

However, I have a point to make about meal planning. I plan our dinners on the weekend, pick up groceries on monday, and then follow the recipes every night (yes, measuring everything so it comes out tasting as planned). That's not really obsessive or weird... it's just how you keep a normal household running instead of resorting to take-out every night.

Putting calorie restriction and optimal nutrition into the equation, of course will somewhat increase the effort involved, and I suspect the software is quite helpful in that respect. But it just doesn't seem *that* off the beaten path.

Posted by: jj at June 5, 2006 4:37 PM

Your points are good. Of course, weighing and recording is important - so you understand what you are really eating. But - you don't actually weigh every little thing you eat every day, do you? The video made it seem that way. Being unable to eat anything, unless it was weighed, would seem OCD to me. If you weighed 10 almonds the day before, and you know they are more or less a gram a piece, then why weigh them over and over? Of course, this comes from someone who was apparently able to construct a salad from the salad bar that weighed exactly 1 pound every day for months - without weighing it as I was making it. And does Michael actually eat exactly 1681 calories a day (or whatever the number was) like the video said? Surely he knows food is not that standardized. One head of lettuce is not identical to another. That level of precision is not possible. Your metabolism and activity level vary every day any way.

I hate to tell you, but to most people, weighing every little thing you eat and eating an exact number of calories a day would seem weird. My five minute a day diary regimen seems wacky enough to most people.

Posted by: Little MR at June 6, 2006 9:07 PM

"No one says it's OCD when someone baking a cake carefully measures out cups or teaspoons of flour, baking powder, sugar, and butter." - I love this analogy!


For the record, SERIOUS bakers will only measure their ingredients by weight, never by volume, as weight is absolute (and it is so duly noted in the recipe for Megamuffins, of course...).


I hadn't read your blog in awhile, so I'm catching up. I've mostly fallen off the CR wagon, landing in between CR and "average healthy athlete eater". So that means I'm not tracking my calories except in my head, and am probably putting on a few pounds of muscle due to a new weightlifting routine of 45 min 3x weekly. That requires some serious protein!

However, at my 5'6" 119# size, I am still averaging about 1600-1700 daily calories, so its mild CR, and I'm not eating all gak. Salads and oatbran porridge still rock my world. *grin*

Posted by: Miss Tenacity at June 17, 2006 7:57 PM

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