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June 21, 2007

Geek-Out Harrisburg

We have a press conference in our state's capitol tomorrow morning, so I drove down here from Scranton so I could get a good night's work in on the phone and then be ready for the press conf in the morning. Drove down, did my several hours worth of work, and adjourned to the hotel bar for a glass of wine and possibly dinner (though I wasn't very hungry due to extra large breakfast and lunch at Scranton Radisson.)

Got to the bar and discovered a giant, nearly untouched vegetable tray. Red peppers, yellow peppers, broccoli, cauliflower, grape tomatoes, cucumbers... all for the taking, free! And a fruit tray: strawberries, cantaloupe, honey dew, grapes! There were cheese and crackers too, and I took one piece of gouda but ignored the rest.

Three plates full of free veggies. I asked the bartender if it was really okay that I was eating dinner at the vegetable tray. He said it was fine, they always have leftovers.

While I sat there I read a book that I borrowed from Edward, a book about pensions. It's called Banking on Death, and it's just brilliant. I am so very interested in anything actuarial. I hadn't thought about it in awhile, but last week Edward gave a presentation on pensions to the nurses at the hospital we're organizing, and when he went through exactly how their management had eliminated their retirement security over the last several years, I suddenly remembered how fascinating I find this stuff. Real working people spend their entire lives giving, giving, and giving more, only to find out that they have very little income on which to retire. My nurses, who give up their health, their holidays, their weekends, their time with their families and their peace of mind to take care of our sickest fellow citizens wake up one day to find out that their pension has been eliminated. Sure, they can keep what's in there, but going forward? A tiny contribution from their employer, along with a note that says, "You'd better start saving!" Not so easy when your wage increases are less than the cost of living every year so you're actually losing money with each passing "raise." That's why they're organizing: to have some say in the decisions that affect the rest of their lives.

I'm sitting in the bar, eating my third plate of veggies, drinking a chardonnay (it's summer, okay? I sometimes drink white in summer!) and freaking out over this pension book, and it occurs to me: "I AM A SERIOUS GEEK!"

Most of the time I get out of the geek label, even though my behavior is super-geeky, because I look like a normal girl. Long hair, dresses, painted nails, make up. But deep down, I am a major geek. Granted, I never made a robot blow up at work. But I actually want to read about pensions. I fantasize about a date with an actuary where we could talk about distributed risk. wouldn't have to be a "date" date, I'd just like to meet a real live actuary and ask tons of questions about how they bet on death. Any takers? Free dinner to real live actuary!

Tomorrow I will finally get to go home, after being on the road since early Tuesday morning. MR has taken good care of our cats and is no doubt missing me by now. I can't wait to wake up next to him... with a cat howling in my ear...

Posted by april at June 21, 2007 7:26 PM

Comments

Yep, we geeks make things blow up! I love the vegetable and fruit platters you found. I wish we had those at work. And the book sounds interesting. My father did actuarial work, so I've heard a bit about this stuff. Maybe I'll try to find it at the library.
Emi

Posted by: Emi at June 22, 2007 12:55 PM

April,

Over the past 2 weeks, I have read your entire blog from start (AprilCR) to today. Wow! What a journey.

Without knowing it, I practice a moderate version of CR. It's been a pleasure to read an echo of some of the internal conversations I've had with myself on this blog.

The one nagging question that I haven't been able to find an answer to:
Cooking oil obviously oxidizes it and makes it lose taste, but what are the health issues with cooking in oil?

Thanks!

Posted by: Sa at June 22, 2007 2:17 PM

Hey! I'm a real, live actuary, and I even work in pensions. I have a feeling it's not as exciting as you think it is, but I will let you know the next time I'm in Philly.

Posted by: RG at June 22, 2007 6:45 PM

I prefer chardonnay in the warm weather too :D

Posted by: Mizzi at June 23, 2007 1:46 AM

A follow-up to this, because it is obviously fascinating to me as well: The thing that really stunned me as I watched the process you describe, was how paltry the average defined benefit pension was even when it existed, and I am talking about collectively bargained plans.

The fact is, that any pension is a benefit tomorrow instead of a benefit today. If, as you say, someone doesn't have the give in their budget to take shorter hours to spend time with growing children, where is the give to save money for years when the children won't be around at all?

If the book did any justice to the "history of pensions", the first thing you learn is the "three-legged stool" analogy, which says that any post-retirement system relies on 3 sources of income: savings, retirement funds (government social security and employer pension), and family. The poorer the person, the more likely they are to rely on the extended family for support. Pensions is very much not a "one size fits all" plan.

Getting people educated about their pension seems remarkably difficult. I'm regularly stunned by the obviously intelligent people I know who don't even fund their IRA. Of course you can say "I'm going to live to 150 so I'll work until I'm 120", but even if you're right, there's no reason not to use the tax-savings that are available to you.

Posted by: RG at June 23, 2007 11:21 AM

Oh yes, the geeks are all around, even if we're not all that obvious. I was reminded today of just how geeky I am, when I went to pick my son up from a birthday party and stayed to help another parent install some software on his new mac laptop that he'd brought over to the first parent!! Then we started talking tech toys and LAN's. I just couldn't help it..it was too much fun!!
Bring on the whites!

Cheers! Enjoy the beautiful weather!
;-D

Posted by: Deborah at June 23, 2007 2:25 PM

Hi RG!

Wow, a real live actuary! Thanks for your comments.

It's so true that people don't pay nearly enough attention to their retirement. I meet a lot of people who don't contribute enough to their 401ks to get the matching funds their employer offers. Lots of people leaving money on the table out there.

I think it's hard because we're not really educated about these things, and as you say, there are needs that appear more pressing earlier in life. I definitely feel like however long I live, I want to do so in financial security. It will be great if I'm well enough to keep working, but it would also be great to be young in body and mind with a decent income to live on with the freedom to do paid work or to engage with the world in some fashion that doesn't bring a paycheck every two weeks.

Feel free to post tips on how we should all be saving... many of us, especially younger folks, don't know nearly as much as we should.

a

Posted by: april at June 24, 2007 6:01 AM

Hi April

As one petite lady to another, can you advise - how do you arrive at the right RDA of nutrients? All the figures I find seem to assume an average size person!

Linda

Posted by: Linda at June 24, 2007 8:00 AM

Hello April,

here another lady question: how do I tell my beloved CRON-o-Meter that I am a woman? I read in one of your entries that it is usually suggesting male nutrition targets.

Thanks and greetings, Marianne

Posted by: Marianne at June 24, 2007 1:33 PM

Hmm, a set of comments about how to save is a tall order. Kind of like a set of comments on "how to eat properly". It's a question of goals, what you're willing to give up. Start with basics: don't buy things you can't afford, don't buy on debt (except potentially things like education and homes which will repay themselves), have an emergency fund (6-12 months' expenses).

Charles Schwab has a nice retirement planner on their website, indicating what you would want to save to be able to retire with the income you want.

Start early! Part of the philosophy of "live within your means" is for me that I try to think about my long-term expenses, not just this years'. For someone in their mid 30's, for example, it's not unreasonable to think that you might work 30 years and then be retired for 30 years. That is, each year's income has to pay not just for this year's expenses, but also a year of retirement expenses. If you invest $1 today, at 7% interest and no taxes, you'll have $7.67 30 years from now, so you don't have to cut your salary in half - but saving 12% of your pre-tax income (a 401K will be tax-deferred, for example) is a reasonable tactic. Subtract off what you think Social Security or your employer is putting in, if you know.

By the way - I thought it was interesting to look at how much my own company is paying annually to my pension, since I'm fortunate enough to have a fairly generous formula. For me, they are putting in about 2% of my salary, which means I still need to save 10% of it.

Posted by: RG at June 24, 2007 3:42 PM

(This is not an entry. I'm just taking back my above question, as I found out that I already had found out myself, but forgot about it. Silly.)

Posted by: Marianne at June 29, 2007 2:56 PM

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